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@ 2006-06-20 10:00:00
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academic parenting
It seems like most of the posts in [info]academicparents are about people trying to decide if having kids in grad school is a good idea. I usually respond with the same sort of post: a bunch of reasons why we decided to have Lea while I am a PhD student in physics. I started trying to conceive when I had passed my comprehensive exams and set a date for my Master's thesis defense, having finished the bulk of my coursework for my PhD.

Some of our reasons might not apply to everyone, and I'd like to hear about others' reasons (for and against) as well. I plan to add this entry to my memories and point prospective parents to it.

Academic timelines
In academia, there's really only two times you're not on the clock: graduate school and post-tenure pre-department-chair (well, and also retirement, but I'm not planning to be ovulating then). In a graduate program, it's ok to take an extra semester or year to finish a degree. Employers don't care. In contrast, taking some time off before getting a tenure track job means it's harder to get back into the workforce. If you have a tenure-track job, some schools will let you extend your tenure clock for childcare; some won't. You're not guaranteed of getting a school which agrees on paper, let alone in reality.

Health
We're left with two real options: grad school, and tenure. I'm 25 in grad school, but I don't expect tenure before I'm 40. It is easier, cheaper, and less complicated to have a baby at 25 than it is at 40. It is also easier to keep odd baby-centric hours at 25, easier to bounce back after childbirth, and easier to keep up with a toddler. Plus, having a baby at 25 instead of 40 means 15 more years of grandparenthood for my folks, and a chance for Lea to meet her great-grandmothers.

Living on the cheap
It's true that tenured faculty make more money than graduate students. However, as a graduate student with a 411-operator husband (he makes as little as I do), I make enough money to buy a house, have two cars, and go on dates every week. We have fantastic health insurance, but if we didn't, we would qualify for state health insurance. We make enough money to have a kid now. Breast milk is free; cloth diapers are cheaper than disposables. Everyone gives you infant clothes. Small babies are cheap. If I were to have kids at 40, I'd be worrying about how to fund their college tuition and my retirement at the same time; this way, I can spread out the big expenditures.

Daily life
As a graduate student who's not taking classes, I'm only scheduled to teach and have meetings. As a senior graduate student, I get first pick as to which classes I teach, so I can arrange my schedule so that Lea doesn't need regular daycare and I can keep working full-time. My advisor is extremely supportive and lets me research at my own pace and keep my own hours as long as the work gets done. My peers are having babies at around the same time I am, so we can have playgroups and daycare swaps together, and that gets me adult social interaction as well as cheap babycare.




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[info]astrogeek
2006-06-20 03:13 pm UTC (link)
it would definitely have been easier to have done it in grad school than as a postdoc. Like you said, taking a bit of extra time to complete a PhD no -one bats an eyelid at, but in the middle of a 3-year postdoc it's more-or-less career suicide!

I am lucky in that, 1) Harvard have excellent benefits, including paid maternity leave that is extended to postdocs - many places' postdoc benefits are much less generous; and 2) my position is somewhat open-ended, as my advisor has some money to hire me beyond the NSF grant that pays me currently, so the time I lose through having a baby is somewhat less crucial than it would be on a normal 2-3 year position.

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[info]ler
2006-07-07 04:22 pm UTC (link)
You are lucky that Harvard has such good benefits!

How much time did you lose by having Ali?

I lost about 1.5 mos for Lea, then another month of part-time until we got a babysitter for a few hours every week. Once the fall semester starts, I expect I'll be working about 4-6 hours less each week because of childcare things, but I'll also be procrastinating with my email less.

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[info]astrogeek
2006-07-07 04:44 pm UTC (link)
How much time did you lose by having Ali?

Well, I took the 12 weeks paid leave, plus I've been working half-time April-August (again this was only possible because I have a very understanding boss).

Now, the real answer...

I probably did very little actual work from mid-November onwards when I submitted a paper I had been working on for most of the summer and fall - I kind of couldn't motivate myself to start on something new, knowing I wouldn't get it finished before Ali was born, so I mostly just pottered around with data and updating our group website and stuff.

Then when I returned to work it took me at least a month to get back into things properly, although it would have been easier if Ali had waited until after I'd spent my last 3 weeks at work tidying up my desk and computer directories, making notes about what, how, when and where I'd done stuff!

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[info]astra_nomer
2006-06-20 07:44 pm UTC (link)
We had kids while I was in grad school for a lot of the same reasons you did (academic timelines, maternal age considerations, flexibility with work schedules), except for the "living on the cheap" thing. I went to grad school in Boston, which has a very high cost of living. If my husband hadn't had a good job that paid well *and* allowed him to work flexible hours, I doubt very much that we could have afforded to have kids while in grad school.

Also, I didn't really feel that my social peers were having children at the same time. Certainly, some of them were, but almost all of them became stay-at-home-moms. I didn't feel that I knew many fellow working moms, let alone grad student moms. But I do agree that having that kind of support structure can help a lot.

I also wonder about health care costs -- my school covered my health insurance, and I had great pre- and post-natal care. I'm not sure that this would hold out in other schools or in other states.

I think it also matters a lot how your supportive your advisor is. I was lucky enough to have very supportive advisors, so everything worked out well.

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[info]ler
2006-07-07 04:29 pm UTC (link)
I guess I was a bit ambiguous there. Of the grad students I know with recent babies (n=3), one had her baby jsut after graduating and is now a SAHM. One is male, and his wife (a med student) is taking indefinite time off (but maybe going back in the fall). I'm the only one I know that jumped back into full-time work as soon as possible.

There's another grad student (couple, both in physics, both a year behind me) who have been TTC for about a year now (no luck and no known reason why). They're planning to both keep working and graduate together if/when she has a baby. Since I got pregnant, there have been a few others that have confided that they want to try, but are afraid to.

I have other peers who are having babies, though: there's a woman at church, and someone on my block, and some people I went to undergrad with. They're not my work-peers, but they are peers of sort.

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[info]ler
2006-07-07 04:36 pm UTC (link)
About the costs:
Maine is very cheap, and that was a big factor for us. We actually had three big milestones to hit before we started TTC: health insurance for my husband (which could only come with a full-time job, but the job didn't have to pay well), finishing my MST, and passing my comps. Had we been in an expensive area, we probably wouldn't have tried.

My advisor has been wonderful, scrounging money from semi-relevant grants and giving me as much paid time off as he could afford. He likes it when I bring Lea to meetings and not-so-secretly wishes for another baby himself. He could have made my life hell very easily, and I'm really glad he didn't.

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[info]calypso72
2006-07-06 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Hello - I'd like to add you as a friend. I'm about to go back to school for my PhD this fall, after an 8 year hiatus after my master's. I have a 4.5 year old daughter and am looking for fellow compatriots in grad school with kids. Feel free to friend back.

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[info]ler
2006-07-07 04:37 pm UTC (link)
Sure! I don't post very often, and since it's summer I don't post about school much. I tend to comment more often than post.

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[info]arrctic
2009-03-05 09:23 am UTC (link)
three years later... mind if I ask the same favor of you? I'm in a similar situation, thinking about heading back to school...

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[info]calypso72
2009-03-05 01:27 pm UTC (link)
Ha - well, you're welcome to friend me if you like, but I ditched the whole going back to grad school idea after one semester. There was absolutely no way to make it work in the program I had chosen.

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[info]arrctic
2009-03-05 08:54 pm UTC (link)
thanks... you seem like a really cool person and we share some interests, so I'm adding you regardless. :) Sorry the grad program did not work out for you.

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[info]ler
2009-03-05 03:28 pm UTC (link)
Sure, but I don't really post here very often. I moved most of the sensitive stuff to a more private server.

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